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Zeitgeist Movie Part 2 | Religion


Zeitgeist Part 2 Religion


This page is about the religious views expressed in the Zeitgeist movie. A review of the 9-11 disasters are covered in the Zeitgeist 3 9-11 page. A background to the film is on the page Zeitgeist 1 the background.

Chogyam Rinpoche introduced the film from a humanistic, secular and academic perspective, and George Carlin's comments at the beginning, are views of a secular comedian. Both speak from the non-theistic paradigm and what they say is absolutely rational from the non-theistic perspective. Chogyam Rinpoche was a Buddhist, which is a philosophical religion and not a theistic religion. He also studied comparative religion at Oxford University, which is a secularised institution, teaching comparative religion from a secular paradigm.


Jordan Maxwell, also in the introduction, is correct about what he says about truth and organised religion. But he is in error later in the film.


But first, two vital concepts


A walk with God in spirit is not religion, it is a relationship.


Religion is a man made institution. Faith is not, it is internal.


A basic rule when interpreting anything is:


A text out of context is a pretext.


Coincidences are not proof, and coincidences out of context are lies. The people behind Zeitgeist make this mistake. Some of the facts are true, but some are lies and are maybe unintentional lies because they cannot be understood from a non-theistic paradigm.


An example of false coincidence is that Zeitgeist says Jesus started his ministry when he was 30 years old, but Jesus was 34 years old when he was baptised and started his ministry.


According to Chassidic Bible interpretation, the Messiah is to be born in September-October. This fits well with the story of Jesus birth in the New Testament. Jesus was born about 6 BC and died in 33 AD, which means Jesus was 37 years old, his 38th birthday would have been in October the year He died.


The 25th December has always been a pagan day. That is true. What is not true is that Jesus was born on the 25th December. The most likely date for Jesus birth is in late September or early October, according to the prophetic fall feasts. Easter was the fulfilling of a prophetic spring feast.


My family has not celebrated Christmas for over 10 years. We stopped as soon as we realise Christmas is a purely pagan celebration. The first Christians did not celebrate Christmas, and for some years Christmas was banned in America, but was unbanned as this was a very unpopular decision.


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The story of three kings is a pagan story as Zeitgeist correctly states. According to the Bible, they were not kings and the number is not given. There were more than one, but could have been two or twenty-two, we do not know. Also, according to the Bible they visited Jesus in Nazareth and not in Bethlehem as the Christmas myth says. In Luke chapter 2 verse 39, Joseph and Mary left Jerusalem and went back with Jesus to Nazareth. In Matthew chapter 2 verses 11 to 14 the wise men came to the house and worshiped the young child. After the wise men left, Joseph took Mary and Jesus and fled to Egypt to escape Herod's anger. Herod killed all the children in Bethlehem under 2 years old.


Mithra is mentioned and Sunday was the day for worshipping her. That we worship on Sunday is also a pagan tradition. The early Christians had initially Saturday as the Sabbath. What is Saturday in Polish, Italian, and Spanish? It is “Sabbath”.


Sirius is suggested as the “Star in the East” because Zeitgeist assumes that Jesus was born on the 25th December, which according to the Bible he was not (Chassidic Jewish interpretation of the Messiah's birth). That was a pagan tradition incorporated by Constantine when he made Christianity the state religion.


Connecting the Southern Cross with the winter solstice and Jesus birth and Christianity saying “The Son died on the cross was dead for three days and rose again” is stretching and connecting coincidences beyond reasonable limits. The Southern Cross was not visible in the winter around the year of Jesus birth. It might have been 1000 years or so before Jesus birth. That coincidence is not plausible. Then there is the linguistic problem connecting the words “son” and “sun”; which sounds great in English, but does not sound so good in Greek (pronounced hweeos and hayleeos) and even worse in Hebrew (pronounced ben and shemesh).


Mixing 12 disciples with 12 constellations of the zodiac is an assumption.


That the Zeitgeist makers are stuck in a secular, humanistic, non-theistic and materialistic paradigm is emphasised when they say that Jesus never existed. They mention Roman historians who did not mention Jesus. Why should they? Israel was a little speck on the map of their empire. Why should they care about one more person crucified?


There are numerous historical accounts of Jesus from contemporary historians, Christian writers, disciples of the disciples, and letters by people who personally knew the disciples. There is even a letter from Jesus' mother Mary about John. These are all ignored.


The “historical Jesus”; (a real person who actually lived at that time in that place) is not disputed. Even Atheist historians agree on that point. What is disputed is if the “historical Jesus”; is the Christian Jesus or Jewish Messiah, God in flesh or a theophany of God. By saying that there is no proof of the existence of Jesus, the Zeitgeist people unfortunately show a strongly biased choice of references in their research.


Josephus is mentioned as known to be a forgery for hundreds of years. That Josephus was not truthful and is not a totally reliable source has been known for a couple of thousand years. But he was not a forgery.


The disciples were simple people, how could they have invented this story based on ancient Egyptian and Babylonian myths, knowing that they will be persecuted for it?


Connecting the combinations of 12 in the Bible to the Zodiac is impossible to do if one understands the Bible. It is only possible to make that connection if one does not understand the Bible. The internal linking with the number 12 in the Bible is very complex and has no connection whatsoever with the Zodiac. Knowing the Bible I could only laugh at the Zeitgeist maker's arrogance in their ignorance.


The “sun cross”: the cross with a circle in the centre is correctly described by Zeitgeist as a pagan symbol.


There are “ages” in the Bible, but they do not conform to the “ages” of the equinoxes.


The ram's horn connection with the age of Aries is an abvious coincidence.


The story of Moses and the Israelites worshipping the calf is interpreted from a pagan perspective, which is not the Jewish perspective. Unless this event is interpreted from a Jewish Orthodox perspective, the interpretation is obviously wrong, it is an error.


The text cited from the New Testament showing Jesus ushering in the age of Pisces, is a text out of context and therefore a pretext to try to prove a point Zeitgeist is unable to prove.


The symbolism in Revelations is not taken from Matthew. This confuses things. Matthew and in other places, the translation of the Greek or Hebrew words as “world” or “age” is not as Zeitgeist states, because Zeitgeist is unable to comprehend the paradigm trap they are stuck in. They seem to only see the Bible through their paradigm. They say it is a mistranslation. It is not a mistranslation, which they would understand if they had a basic understanding of how the King James Bible was translated. Greek and Hebrew words translated with different English words such as aeon as “age” and “world” are not uncommon and not unknown to people who seriously read the Bible.


It is impossible to translate from one language to another without some ambiguity.


Comparing Horus and Jesus, Zeitgeist mentions many similarities, as the “Trinity”, which was not mentioned in the first centuries of Christians. Personally I have no problem accepting that the concept “Trinity” came to Christianity through paganism, and by forced definitions at the Nicene Council, but it is a viable metaphor to help us understand God. The are many concepts common to monotheistic believers as well as pagans, one of which is the existence of God.


That does not stop us humans from being triune beings, with body, soul and spirit, as God is one, but communicates and has a relationship with us as a triune Godhead, God, God's Spirit, and the theophany, Jesus, whom we have easier to have a relationship with, than Almighty God who we find inconceivable.


There are many examples of Jesus appearing in the Old Testament.


The Gilgamesh story the Zietgeist team bring up is old news. There should be no problem with the Gilgamesh saga, as unless one stays in the secular paradigm, there is no major contradiction with the story of Noah.


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The Ten Commandments have been found, not only in Egypt, as Zeitgeist points out, but also in Ur, from Abraham's time. Do we need to have a problem with that. God could have inspired other people in other cultures as well.


Justin Martyr is not a good first choice for a quote from early Christian writers. Is he quoted out of context? By choosing him Zeitgeist shows a bias, probably unintentional, as they are unable to understand what they are studying, being stuck, as they are, in a limited secular paradigm.


I keep repeating that Zeitgeist is stuck in a paradigm, but they keep repeating errors of perspective from their restricted paradigm. They tend to be very narrow-minded in this part of the film.


To use a quotation on Christianity by a humanist like Thomas Paine shows a lack of objectivity. That would be like asking Mao Tze Tung his opinion on free market capitalism.


The second quotation from Jordan Maxwell, at the end of Part I is a generalized comment. But what he says is to a large extent true. Much of Christian religion is taken from paganism and is not Christian.


There is a mix-up in Zeitgeist where they are unable to separate the purer form of Christianity from the Gnostic influenced Christianity, which became the Roman state religion.


The Gnostic-Christian religion joined with the state under Constantine for political power and social control. That is why there is so much paganism in the Christian religion. Pure Christianity could not join the government.


The Council of Nicaea in 325 AD was a sad moment for true Christianity. In the centuries that followed, the Catholic Church mercilessly persecuted the real Christians. Christians were burned at the stake and tortured because they read the Bible, distributed the Bible, had a Bible in their home, or trusted Jesus for their salvation.


There is a HUGE difference between a Christian who lives in a relationship with God our Creator, and a purely religious Christian.


The comment that “religion is slavery,” is absurd from a spiritual perspective, but it can be if politicised, and has often been used in history to abuse people.


George Bush is a perfect example of a leader who is definitely not a Christian, but abuses religion as Zeitgeist says:

“It empowers those who know the truth but use the myth to manipulate and control societies.”


In Nazi Germany the Lutheran Church (religion) supported Hitler, while individual priests (Christians) who disagreed because of their faith, joined the Jews in the concentration camps.


Someone who denies the existence of something (like the spiritual) is incompetent to make absolute statements on the subject they deny exists.

A walk with God in spirit is not religion, it is a relationship.


Religion is external and a man made institution. Faith is not, it is internal



This article continues with a Zeitgeist 9-11 review of Part 2 of the Zeitgeist film.





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